this has nothing at all to do with Islam or Palestine

What do you have against Islxxxx?

I love Islxxxx!

For example this one:

Or that one:

Or perhaps that one:

I LIKE THESE ONES …

I haven't been to any other Islxxxx but I'm sure they're nice too….

OTOOZKI, NOVITA FOLLOW THAT LINK AND TELL ME ABOUT FREEDOM THAT WEST BRING FOR WOMAN

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20090703-20359.html

“Do you like plastic ones or real ones?”
May I see the whole catalogue please?

“follow the link”
Damn, there is no escape from them…

“follow the link”
Damn, there is no escape from them…

Better these posts!

xD

“follow the link”
Damn, there is no escape from them…

:D prisoner of war?

oh well cool title gkiss. now i know you want to chillout sometimes :) 

Osesame, I saw the link and it is a tragic story. It reminds me of this one http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jun/08/pregnant-woman-fatally-stabbed

In the case of your link, there is the question of whether the attack had anything to do with the victim wearing a veil, and therefore by implication, her religion, ethnicity and nationality. It would appear from the link that the German authorities are trying to play down the possibility that it was a racist attack.

In my link, there appears to be no possibility of racism as the victim and perpetrator appear to be English, white and of no obvious minority religion.

While these are horrid and upsetting crimes, I don't honestly think you can generalise that this is how Western men or society treats its women. They are isolated cases, and they are crimes. Equally I could post links about taliban striking women for exposing their faces, or sharia courts sentencing women to be stoned in Nigeria, but I don't believe that represents how your society, or any society you would defend, treats its women.

Osesame, I consider you my friend and I am not criticising you.

I know that freedom for women is an issue you write a lot about. And I know you think there is more freedom for women in IslXXXXic countries than in Western ones. To a point I can see what you mean, because look at the way Dissipator thinks of women – it is clearly displayed in this forum. I'm not judging him, I'm just saying I see what Osesame says (in previous forums which many ppl here might not read because they are about ISLxxxx) that women in his (Osesame's) society have the freedom to be individual ppl and not sex objects. And ppl in the west like to say women here have the freedom to wear what they want and do what they want, etc, it all comes down to how you define freedom, and about which individual western or islamic countries or ppl you are talking about.