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The myth of 'Palestine'

| 02:54 PM Nov 21 2009 | Responder

fabs1

fabs1

United Kingdom

I see a lot of users, especially from Muslim and Arab countries, going on and on about a so-called nation known as Palestine, that apparently is being occupied by Zionists or Israel, and needs to be liberated.

 

The truth is, no such country does exist, or has ever existed.

Here is a present day map of the Middle East:

 

 

 

 

At present there is no country called Palestine.

 

The past maps yield the same conclusion:

 

 

 

 The rallying cry around 'Palestine'is often no more than a way of delegitimizing Israel in favour of a country that as literally been invented under its feet. 

Palestine was a province, renamed by the Romans to humilitate the defeated and expelled Jews, on top of the ancient Jewish Kingdoms of Israel and Judah (see map above).  The Muslim Conquests in the 7th century brought settlers of Arabs who settled in the region, and arabized the Roman name to 'Filistin'.  Jews on the other hand, have always referred to the land by its ancient name 'Eretz Israel' (Land of Israel) for thousands of years and during the Exile.

 

Before 1918, the province was apart of the Ottoman Empire. Afterwards, it was a British Mandate, still not an independant Arab state.

 

After 1948, the current territories that are supposed to be 'Palestinian' were controlled and governned by Egypt (Gaza) and Jordan (West Bank).

An additional question somebody should ask. If the 'Palestinians' were a nation, why didn't they ask for independance when their 'brother Arabs' were ruling them?

 MAP (1948-1967):

 

 

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| 03:40 PM Nov 21 2009 | Responder

~MemoTheHun~

Germany

is there anyone except fabs who agree that?  

 

 

 

 

this map or similar is in every Bible… 

| 03:41 PM Nov 21 2009 | Responder

~MemoTheHun~

Germany

| 03:43 PM Nov 21 2009 | Responder

~MemoTheHun~

Germany

I dont know what the others think about this argument but I find it fully stupid and such argumets mostly come from fabs.

| 09:18 PM Nov 21 2009 | Responder

javamanju

javamanju

India

Palestine is as old as Judea,

How do you Explain the David and goliath story. As far as I know,  goliath was a Palestinian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines

But people today who are claiming to be Palestinains are just Arabs from Jordan. Apart from few settelments, no one lived or wanted that place proir to 1900.  

If not for the Marathas, Arabs/Persians/Turk whould have claimed that India was Muslim land.  Arabs/Persians/Turk  legacy of Invasion is still felt in Kashmir. 

 

| 09:56 PM Nov 21 2009 | Responder

fabs1

fabs1

United Kingdom

The ancient Phillistines have nothing to do with the modern day Arabs that call themselves Palestinians, because of the Roman change of name of the province.

 

Goliath was not a 'Palestinian'. 

| 04:19 AM Nov 22 2009 | Responder

arabhamid

arabhamid

Algeria

Arabs are the first people who lived in this regions, people if this region descends from arabic region, who moved from the south from 7000 years ago, to live in the north, and they build two civilizations, the first one is land of Canaan, in the land of palestine, and the second in the north, in lebanon, called Phiniciens.

 

those people was under many attachs and wars during thousands of years, which make those people mixed with other nations and some moved to other regions.

 

in one time, prophet Ibrahim be peace on him, had two children, he was living in the region, but not in palestine, he moved and moved, he left one son in Mecca called prophet Ismail, and the other called Prophet Ishaac.

 

From prophet Ishaac, the Jews came, and they became a nation in egypt after been some tribus in the past, and later they moved to palestine and colonized it.

 

Palestine was and will stay an arabic land.

palestine and lebanon was part

| 04:26 AM Nov 22 2009 | Responder

arabhamid

arabhamid

Algeria

Chalcolithic period (4500–3000 BCE) and Bronze Age (3000–1200 BCE)
See also: Chalcolithic and Bronze Age
 
An 1882 rendering of Canaan, as divided among the Twelve Tribes, by the American Sunday-School Union of Philadelphia.

Along the Jericho–Dead Sea–Bir es-Saba–Gaza–Sinai route, a culture originating in Syria, marked by the use of copper and stone tools, brought new migrant groups to the region contributing to an increasingly urban fabric.[44][45][46]

By the early Bronze Age (3000–2200 BCE) independent Canaanite city-states situated in plains and coastal regions and surrounded by mud-brick defensive walls were established and most of these cities relied on nearby agricultural hamlets for their food needs.[44][47]

Archaeological finds from the early Canaanite era have been found at Tel Megiddo, Jericho, Tel al-Far'a (Gaza), Bisan, and Ai (Deir Dibwan/Ramallah District), Tel an Nasbe (al-Bireh) and Jib (Jerusalem).

The Canaanite city-states held trade and diplomatic relations with Egypt and Syria. Parts of the Canaanite urban civilization were destroyed around 2300 BCE, though there is no consensus as to why. Incursions by nomads from the east of the Jordan River who settled in the hills followed soon thereafter.[44][48]

In the Middle Bronze Age (2200–1500 BCE), Canaan was influenced by the surrounding civilizations of Egypt, Mesopotamia, Phoenicia, and Syria. Diverse commercial ties and an agriculturally based economy led to the development of new pottery forms, the cultivation of grapes, and the extensive use of bronze.[44][49] Burial customs from this time seemed to be influenced by a belief in the afterlife.[44][50]

Political, commercial and military events during the Late Bronze Age period (1450–1350 BCE) were recorded by ambassadors and Canaanite proxy rulers for Egypt in 379 cuneiform tablets known as the Amarna Letters.[51]

By c. 1190 BCE, the Philistines arrived and mingled with the local population, losing their separate identity over several generations.[24]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

 

| 04:30 AM Nov 22 2009 | Responder

arabhamid

arabhamid

Algeria

javamanju

you need to read alot, and read from different sources, because you're information are enough, and they don't allow you to judge.

Ask Fabian, he may help you by giving your some books.

Sorry to tell you, that you're wrong

it may your hate tawords the muslims and arabs which make you judge like that

good luck

| 06:08 AM Nov 22 2009 | Responder

fabs1

fabs1

United Kingdom

Arabs are the first people who lived in this regions

 

And the Canaanites have nothing to do with the present day Arabs either. That link isn't there, and is also just invented. We're talking about a  tribe that existed around 3000 years ago.

I'm repeating myself, but a common theory is that the Israelites were either the same as the Canaanites, or at least were absorbed into the Israelites when they conquered the province.

These people, anyhow, did not identify themselves as Arabs. Modern day Arabs have nothing in common with these tribes,so I don't see  how you can say that these people were 'Arabs', except by historic invention.

 

It's ludicrous. If you want to call Canaanites and Phillistines Arabs, you can just as easily call the Israelites Arabs with similar evidence.

 

On the other hand, the link between the Israelites and modern day Jews is much more direct.  

| 07:17 AM Nov 22 2009 | Responder

gkisseberth

Colombia

fabs is right that Palestine has never existed as an independent country. 

 

I don't think that means, however, that the people who currently live in the area, regardless of their ethnicity or religion have no right to self-determination or to protecting themselves.